Musk, Shotwell discuss AI risks and SpaceX-Tesla merger at All-In Summit

Elon Musk and SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell appeared together at The All-In Summit podcast to discuss a wide range of topics spanning artificial intelligence, space technology, and corporate strategy.

Shotwell shared her experience at SpaceX, covering the company's rocket business, management structure, and operations across AI, Starlink, and competing rocket launches. She also discussed SpaceX's direct-to-cell capabilities via Starlink, retiring rockets, and data centers in space.

Musk joined the conversation to address AI's real risks and the need for model peer review, clarifying earlier comments about AI safety researcher Dario Amodei. The two discussed their working relationship and Starship's future trajectory. They also touched on Terafab—a semiconductor initiative—as well as broader questions about flying cars and potential synergies between Tesla and SpaceX, including the possibility of merging the two companies.

The full episode covers management practices at SpaceX and explores how AI peer review should function in practice, among other topics.